727 shift cable help!

64fury · 06-22-2008, 07:42 PM

Anyone have any experiance adjusting the shift cable on the 727? Mine is acting like the travel in the cable is too short, with the cable at is max travel and the shifter in L1, if you try to shift into Park you run out of cable about 1/4 too soon, same happens if you set it up in park and then go to L1, the shifter will come up 1/4 inch short of the L1 dent!

Doc · 06-22-2008, 08:20 PM

Is this a column or floor shifter ?

64fury · 06-22-2008, 08:49 PM

It's a floor shifter Doc!

Doc · 06-23-2008, 02:43 AM

Are you trying to do all this with the pan off the trans ...so you can see UP into the valve body?

Doc · 08-11-2008, 01:30 AM

Oooops .. how come you never came back to this ??...

64fury · 08-11-2008, 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Doc

Oooops .. how come you never came back to this ??...

i got side tracked with the mass of electrical gremlins and other distraction!

This tranny shift issue is a weird one, with it being a 64' I can't put a after market shifter in. I believe the issue is the shifter it's self, or the cable is the wrong length.

Everything lines up and underneath, I've had the pan off, and the rosster coomb meets up with the correct dents inside the tranny it's at the shifter end where things don't jive! But whats happening is with the cable all the way back you can't engage L1 it comes up less than 1/4 inch short of the dent, like the cable was too short. but if push the cable all the way forward with out making any adjustments, it won't hit park as the cable now appears to be too long!

I'm going to take another swing at it this week and will try to post a few pictures if I can!

Doc · 08-11-2008, 10:01 PM

Have you ever thought about putting a push button dash unit in ?

64fury · 08-11-2008, 11:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Doc

Have you ever thought about putting a push button dash unit in ?

No! The car is an original floor console car, only the sport furys had them in 64' the rest were push button. I ran the ID # on the tranny it is the original to the car was built as a floor shifter and had a 426 infront of it.

There is a kit I know of that will allow a 66' and up tranny to be converted over to push button, but not one that will convert a pre 66.

I think one of four things has happened

1. somewhere along the 44 year life of the tranny so far, someone put a push button valve body in the non-push button housing and tried to make it work with the factory floor shifter and cable. (maybe when they switched the 426 for the 383)

or 2. it's the wrong cable

or 3. at some point the shifter was replaced with a 66 or up unit with a longer throw.

or 4. I'm an idiot and don't know how to adjust the cable!

potions as i see them right now.

a. play with the shifter and cable some more to see if I can get things to mesh.

b. change out the valve body for a 64 non-pushbutton one and a new cable

c. try to find another 64' floor shifter and cable and change them out.

d. install a post 66 tranny and a B&M shifter and solve all the issues once and for all.

The last one may sound drastic but may be the cheapest in the long run.

Doc · 08-12-2008, 12:34 AM

It HAS to be #a ... do you KNOW if the VB has a two-position starting position?

64fury · 08-12-2008, 06:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Doc

It HAS to be #a ... do you KNOW if the VB has a two-position starting position?

When I had the pan off, and looking underneath the VB had two prongs that lined up with the NSS, one in park the other in Neutral. Although the NSS is the short single post type from a push button, the fact it does not make contact with the VB makes me think the VB ISN'T from a push button

Doc · 08-13-2008, 04:01 AM

That appears to me to be the correct VB. The PB VB only has a one-position contact for the NSS.

Do you have full-cable-travel in the shifter ?

richinny · 08-13-2008, 05:38 AM

are you getting the full 'throw' or the shifter? does it have a release to be shifted to the 'park' position?

64fury · 08-13-2008, 06:09 AM

It appears I'm not getting full cable travel, but cant figure out why?

richinny · 08-13-2008, 06:41 AM

shifters i've seen have a lock-out so you can't throw it accidentally into park when you don't want to. it might not be the case here but worth checking. there should be something you have to push/pull/slide before it moves into park. you know, like pulling a column shifter lever towards you to go into park.

Doc · 08-13-2008, 09:06 AM

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Originally Posted by 64fury

It appears I'm not getting full cable travel, but cant figure out why?

Have you pulled the console out that covers the shifter and looked at the inside of the shifter and the action ?

64fury · 08-13-2008, 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Doc

Have you pulled the console out that covers the shifter and looked at the inside of the shifter and the action ?

Yeah I've got he console off at the moment, the cable dosn't appear to be going fully into the sleeve, the parking lock cable slides in all the way, but the shifter stops about 1/4" short.

64fury · 08-13-2008, 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Doc

That appears to me to be the correct VB. The PB VB only has a one-position contact for the NSS.

Thats what I believe but I'm not 100% sure, all the non push button VB's I've seen have a third arm at the rear, something this one does not have.

http://good-times.webshots.com/photo...03482066fkVxGI

This link has a picture of a PB, then a Console and late model VB, as you can see mine really dosn't look 100% like any of them and is kinda halfway between the PB and console types!

Doc · 08-14-2008, 04:59 AM

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Originally Posted by 64fury

Yeah I've got he console off at the moment, the cable dosn't appear to be going fully into the sleeve, the parking lock cable slides in all the way, but the shifter stops about 1/4" short.

Is there an adjustment for the travel of the cable?

Doc · 08-14-2008, 05:10 AM

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Originally Posted by 64fury

Thats what I believe but I'm not 100% sure, all the non push button VB's I've seen have a third arm at the rear, something this one does not have.

http://good-times.webshots.com/photo...03482066fkVxGI

This link has a picture of a PB, then a Console and late model VB, as you can see mine really dosn't look 100% like any of them and is kinda halfway between the PB and console types!

That pic ....does NOT show the VB you have. The one on the left is a PB VB.... the middle is a 66-69 and on the right is 70 and up.

The guy who posted those pics forgot to include the cable-shift column/floor shifter "switch".

64fury · 08-14-2008, 05:26 PM

This is the VB I 'should' have, as you can see the one I have also looks nothing like it!

Doc · 08-14-2008, 08:43 PM

WHERE did you come up with that pic ?

64fury · 08-14-2008, 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Doc

WHERE did you come up with that pic ?

Here http://www.1962to1965mopar.ornocar.com/transtech.html

Doc · 08-15-2008, 06:42 AM

I asked that because the pic must be "distorted" in a way ...???

It does not show the hole for the tube that has the lock-spring that secures the cable-end to the VB.

64fury · 08-16-2008, 08:36 PM

Can anyone ID the year of the console shifter in the picture below?

I think I'm looking in the wrong place, not the VB but the shifter!

As you can see from the two pictures the dents on the shifter I have are spaced much wider apart than the those on the picture of the 64' which may account for some shifter issues I'm having!

My Shifter:

The other picture from the 1962 to 1965 mopar site:

64fury · 09-07-2008, 07:28 PM

Well I got a pair of correct shifter from e-bay, while they are different than the one that was in the car, they did not solve the issue.

Next I'm waiting on a new cable from Imperial Services, if this dosn't cure the issue I don't know what will?

The tranny has been ID as a 64' console shift unit, built in dec 63', the VB is also id as a 64' console shift unit, the shifter is from a 64' console shift. The tranny has been checked out by the local mopar guys and according to them the tranny is solid, it;s the shifter that was the issue, but installing the correft shifter hasn't solved anything!

BuckNeccid · 09-07-2008, 07:54 PM

Something else you can do is change the shift arm on the tranny. An arm with the hole closer to the body of the tranny will make the cable "seem" longer due to the angularity, and will shift farther with the same throw of the cable. If you want to do it on the shifter, you could dril another hole a little lower where the cable mounts.

EzeakeoRage · 09-08-2008, 10:42 PM

hmm i can only tell you from my experience of putting a B&M shifter in my 72' SE Charger i had to change the shift arm on the tranny then from there made sure the tranny was in park and shifter was in park, attached the shift cable and made sure it wasnt binding and bam it worked thought the shift arm on the tranny did stump me for awhile it was causing me not to shift all the way into my low gears . hope that helped at all

06-22-2008, 07:42 PM	#1 (permalink)
64fury Super Moderator Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Edmonton, AB Posts: 99	727 shift cable help! Anyone have any experiance adjusting the shift cable on the 727? Mine is acting like the travel in the cable is too short, with the cable at is max travel and the shifter in L1, if you try to shift into Park you run out of cable about 1/4 too soon, same happens if you set it up in park and then go to L1, the shifter will come up 1/4 inch short of the L1 dent! __________________ 64' Plymouth Sport Fury 58' Triumph TR-3A 72' MGB-GT

06-22-2008, 08:49 PM	#3 (permalink)
64fury Super Moderator Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Edmonton, AB Posts: 99	It's a floor shifter Doc! __________________ 64' Plymouth Sport Fury 58' Triumph TR-3A 72' MGB-GT

08-13-2008, 06:09 AM	#13 (permalink)
64fury Super Moderator Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Edmonton, AB Posts: 99	It appears I'm not getting full cable travel, but cant figure out why? __________________ 64' Plymouth Sport Fury 58' Triumph TR-3A 72' MGB-GT

08-14-2008, 05:26 PM	#20 (permalink)
64fury Super Moderator Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Edmonton, AB Posts: 99	This is the VB I 'should' have, as you can see the one I have also looks nothing like it! __________________ 64' Plymouth Sport Fury 58' Triumph TR-3A 72' MGB-GT

08-16-2008, 08:36 PM	#24 (permalink)
64fury Super Moderator Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Edmonton, AB Posts: 99	Can anyone ID the year of the console shifter in the picture below? I think I'm looking in the wrong place, not the VB but the shifter! As you can see from the two pictures the dents on the shifter I have are spaced much wider apart than the those on the picture of the 64' which may account for some shifter issues I'm having! My Shifter: The other picture from the 1962 to 1965 mopar site: __________________ 64' Plymouth Sport Fury 58' Triumph TR-3A 72' MGB-GT

06-22-2008, 08:20 PM	#2 (permalink)
Doc MasterDebater Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: nw lower Meeeechigan Posts: 673	Is this a column or floor shifter ?

06-23-2008, 02:43 AM	#4 (permalink)
Doc MasterDebater Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: nw lower Meeeechigan Posts: 673	Are you trying to do all this with the pan off the trans ...so you can see UP into the valve body?

08-11-2008, 01:30 AM	#5 (permalink)
Doc MasterDebater Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: nw lower Meeeechigan Posts: 673	Oooops .. how come you never came back to this ??...

08-11-2008, 10:01 PM	#7 (permalink)
Doc MasterDebater Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: nw lower Meeeechigan Posts: 673	Have you ever thought about putting a push button dash unit in ?

08-12-2008, 12:34 AM	#9 (permalink)
Doc MasterDebater Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: nw lower Meeeechigan Posts: 673	It HAS to be #a ... do you KNOW if the VB has a two-position starting position?

08-13-2008, 04:01 AM	#11 (permalink)
Doc MasterDebater Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: nw lower Meeeechigan Posts: 673	That appears to me to be the correct VB. The PB VB only has a one-position contact for the NSS. Do you have full-cable-travel in the shifter ?

08-13-2008, 05:38 AM	#12 (permalink)
richinny Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 115	are you getting the full 'throw' or the shifter? does it have a release to be shifted to the 'park' position?

08-13-2008, 06:41 AM	#14 (permalink)
richinny Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 115	shifters i've seen have a lock-out so you can't throw it accidentally into park when you don't want to. it might not be the case here but worth checking. there should be something you have to push/pull/slide before it moves into park. you know, like pulling a column shifter lever towards you to go into park.

08-14-2008, 08:43 PM	#21 (permalink)
Doc MasterDebater Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: nw lower Meeeechigan Posts: 673	WHERE did you come up with that pic ?

08-15-2008, 06:42 AM	#23 (permalink)
Doc MasterDebater Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: nw lower Meeeechigan Posts: 673	I asked that because the pic must be "distorted" in a way ...??? It does not show the hole for the tube that has the lock-spring that secures the cable-end to the VB.

09-07-2008, 07:28 PM	#25 (permalink)
64fury Super Moderator Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Edmonton, AB Posts: 99	Well I got a pair of correct shifter from e-bay, while they are different than the one that was in the car, they did not solve the issue. Next I'm waiting on a new cable from Imperial Services, if this dosn't cure the issue I don't know what will? The tranny has been ID as a 64' console shift unit, built in dec 63', the VB is also id as a 64' console shift unit, the shifter is from a 64' console shift. The tranny has been checked out by the local mopar guys and according to them the tranny is solid, it;s the shifter that was the issue, but installing the correft shifter hasn't solved anything! __________________ 64' Plymouth Sport Fury 58' Triumph TR-3A 72' MGB-GT

09-07-2008, 07:54 PM	#26 (permalink)
BuckNeccid Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: South Point OH Posts: 63	Something else you can do is change the shift arm on the tranny. An arm with the hole closer to the body of the tranny will make the cable "seem" longer due to the angularity, and will shift farther with the same throw of the cable. If you want to do it on the shifter, you could dril another hole a little lower where the cable mounts.

09-08-2008, 10:42 PM	#27 (permalink)
EzeakeoRage Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Federal Way, WA Posts: 5	hmm i can only tell you from my experience of putting a B&M shifter in my 72' SE Charger i had to change the shift arm on the tranny then from there made sure the tranny was in park and shifter was in park, attached the shift cable and made sure it wasnt binding and bam it worked thought the shift arm on the tranny did stump me for awhile it was causing me not to shift all the way into my low gears . hope that helped at all

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