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70chargerAZ 02-15-2014 09:19 AM

440 oil cooler questions
 
I'm building a 440-to-543 stroker. I'll leave the bulk of the build's information out of this topic for the moment.

I plan on installing an oil cooler, but have never really messed with oiling systems before. I'm running an aftermarket, external oiling system by either Milodon or Melling, and had some questions:

1. I've seen oil coolers run off of a filter adapter, is this really the optimal set-up, or is there a better way?
2. Could I run an oil cooler off of the oil pump itself if I have the required fittings installed? (for example: from the oil pan pickup to oil cooler, then from the oil cooler back to the to oil pump?)
3. Does anyone make a kit in either of these configurations?
4. Is there anything I'm missing here?

RacerHog 02-15-2014 09:59 AM

Sound to me like the question should be. Do you need the cooler for what your trying to do?
But yes you can run a cooler. I would suggest talking with the pump MFG. They know the best solution for what your going to need with there product. Most likely.
My suggestion would be to put the cooler after your remote oil Filter or Filters adapter and then back to the pan.

TVLynn 02-15-2014 10:16 AM

I had part of a factory one It had a 2th tap or maybe a T at the oil pressure sender tap and a line running from the cooler to a special fuel pump bolt that was hollow and allowed the oil to drain back into the pan

70chargerAZ 02-15-2014 10:29 AM


Originally Posted by RacerHog (Post 115665)
Sound to me like the question should be. Do you need the cooler for what your trying to do?
But yes you can run a cooler. I would suggest talking with the pump MFG. They know the best solution for what your going to need with there product. Most likely.
My suggestion would be to put the cooler after your remote oil Filter or Filters adapter and then back to the pan.

The sheer horsepower I'm aiming for will deem any and all cooling methods necessary for my build, I'm just confused as far as how the set up will go. I think I'll call the manufacturers directly if I can't figure it out on my own, because like you said, they have the best application info.

Also, i think I was confused about the oil routing, but it's cleared up now.

Thanks for your reply!

70chargerAZ 02-15-2014 10:31 AM


Originally Posted by TVLynn (Post 115667)
I had part of a factory one It had a 2th tap or maybe a T at the oil pressure sender tap and a line running from the cooler to a special fuel pump bolt that was hollow and allowed the oil to drain back into the pan

Interesting. Since I will be running an external pickup system, I think mine will be routed a bit differently, but I'll look into it. Thanks!

RacerHog 02-15-2014 05:21 PM

Lots of systems to choose from for your dry sump or wet sump system...
Weather its a Keith Black block, Kelco Block, Indy Block, Alan Anderson, BAE, Mopar Block....

Good Luck with the build... Hope to see lots of picture....
We will help as much as we can.....

:)

Mr.4spd 02-15-2014 05:26 PM


Originally Posted by RacerHog (Post 115688)
Lots of systems to choose from for your dry sump or wet sump system...
Weather its a Keith Black block, Kelco Block, Indy Block, Alan Anderson, BAE, Mopar Block....

Good Luck with the build... Hope to see lots of picture....
We will help as much as we can.....

:)

Right, I was thinking aftermarket block too. After my current engine was finished I regretted going with an aluminum aftermarket block. Not the type of part you can change after the fact.

70chargerAZ 02-15-2014 09:05 PM


Originally Posted by RacerHog (Post 115688)
Lots of systems to choose from for your dry sump or wet sump system...
Weather its a Keith Black block, Kelco Block, Indy Block, Alan Anderson, BAE, Mopar Block....

Good Luck with the build... Hope to see lots of picture....
We will help as much as we can.....

:)

I like challenges, so I'm going to stick with the '73 block I have and build on it! I know the risks, but it's a solid block so I should be alright. If I ruin it, I'll go aftermarket for the next one, but I have a lot of faith in Mopar, so thy will be done.

70chargerAZ 02-15-2014 09:06 PM


Originally Posted by Mr.4spd (Post 115689)
Right, I was thinking aftermarket block too. After my current engine was finished I regretted going with an aluminum aftermarket block. Not the type of part you can change after the fact.

What exactly would you have done differently? Were you not happy with the Aluminum block?

RacerHog 02-16-2014 07:10 AM

Thin Thats not all that hard....
Good oil pan
K.B. Or Milidon Oil Pump
Good remote oil filter asm.
Good Size Cooler with a fan
Add a thermo sensor to turn the fan on when you want it to come on.

70chargerAZ 02-16-2014 07:14 AM


Originally Posted by RacerHog (Post 115715)
Thin Thats not all that hard....
Good oil pan
K.B. Or Milidon Oil Pump
Good remote oil filter asm.
Good Size Cooler with a fan
Add a thermo sensor to turn the fan on when you want it to come on.

You make it sound so simple. I think I've just been overthinking things. I'm calling Milodon tomorrow to sketch out a planned application, and ordering parts soon. Thanks again!

RacerHog 02-16-2014 07:29 AM

I Dont what to muck up your oil system thread. nor do I want to Muck up the new member thread.. But we may want to chat about you 543 build.

Anyway.... Stef Products makes good stuff to suit your needs...
http://www.stefs.com/products.html

And Also

http://aviaid.com/pdfs/cat05.pdf

Coolers
http://www.setrabusa.com/products/oilcoolers/index.html

70chargerAZ 02-16-2014 07:34 AM


Originally Posted by RacerHog (Post 115717)
I Dont what to muck up your oil system thread. nor do I want to Muck up the new member thread.. But we may want to chat about you 543 build.

:)

I'll post a new thread soon sharing the general theory behind my build, so we will have ample opportunity to chat about it. I have big plans and hopes for it! :)

Basically everything is planned out except for the oil routing and cooling, but I've almost got a handle on that aspect. I still have some questions and concerns about the final stages though, such as header clearances after the swap and stuff. You can also PM me if you'd like, and I'll reply when I have the chance!

RacerHog 02-16-2014 07:43 AM

Cool.....

I like open topics..... This is a great site... Most will add a good 2 cents if they have one to throw in. But if it gets sideways.. Will PM....
My box get full way to fast ...lol


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