Natural Gas Mopar
03-27-2008, 09:38 AM
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Natural Gas Mopar
With the price of gasoline going higher and higher as we speak (there is probably someone changing the numbers to your local gas station as you read this), I was wondering if anyone has successfully built a natural gas powered Mopar? As I understand it, the price of natural gas is under a dollar a gallon. I think most anyone here would drive their big-block daily if fuel was less than a dollar a gallon.
03-28-2008, 02:02 AM
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A few of the local bus companies over here run the buses (usuallly diesel powered) on natural gas
but the down falls (other than engine mods) are over night to fill the tank and no where to fill if you run low on fuel.
The other option we have is that we use LPG (liquid petrolium gas)
it is a mixture of propane & butane.
It runs cleaner than gasoline but needs your engine to be set up to run unleaded fuel (valve seats)
to my understanding you guys use LPG to complement your diesel engines,
the disadvantage of lpg is that you use more fuel but at under half the price you can justify this.
if you want more info just do a search
Our government actuallly give us a rebate to convert to LPG.
but the down falls (other than engine mods) are over night to fill the tank and no where to fill if you run low on fuel.
The other option we have is that we use LPG (liquid petrolium gas)
it is a mixture of propane & butane.
It runs cleaner than gasoline but needs your engine to be set up to run unleaded fuel (valve seats)
to my understanding you guys use LPG to complement your diesel engines,
the disadvantage of lpg is that you use more fuel but at under half the price you can justify this.
if you want more info just do a search
Our government actuallly give us a rebate to convert to LPG.
03-28-2008, 09:34 AM
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There a are quite a few public transit buses that run on Natural Gas here on the east coast, but if you start fueling all vehicles, or a larger number of them with natural gas something will happen to spike that market so some people make more money. If this were to occur the areas that rely on natural gas will start having problems, and will definitely effect the economy.
03-28-2008, 09:05 PM
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Natural Gas
I saw 2 Civic GX's today - Factory Natural Gas cars. I just think it would be cool to have a natural gas hot rod Mopar as a daily driver.
True - if everyone went to natural gas, then "they" would just hike up the cost of that. Pretty sad.
But if you you count how many old mopars you saw on the road today, (I saw none) and further count how many natural gas mopars you have seen, (I wonder if one even exists), it is unlikely the price will go up.
I know a lot of people dump a lot of money into into their mopars with blowers, nitrous, and other parts. These people that spend tens of thousands on their mopars probably don't care about the cost of gasoline.
I came to the Mopar camp because Mopars were inexpensive and fun (more powerful). I am looking for ways to keep it that way.
True - if everyone went to natural gas, then "they" would just hike up the cost of that. Pretty sad.
But if you you count how many old mopars you saw on the road today, (I saw none) and further count how many natural gas mopars you have seen, (I wonder if one even exists), it is unlikely the price will go up.
I know a lot of people dump a lot of money into into their mopars with blowers, nitrous, and other parts. These people that spend tens of thousands on their mopars probably don't care about the cost of gasoline.
I came to the Mopar camp because Mopars were inexpensive and fun (more powerful). I am looking for ways to keep it that way.
04-14-2008, 02:24 AM
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The problem with running your mopar on it is the size of the fuel tank,
apparently it would fill your entire trunk to get any distance.
apparently the gas is not compressed therefor it requires a very large tank.
They do these conversions for trucks and buses, gasoline and diesel.
In Melbourne natural gas sells for approx 46 cents per litre & LPG (propane/butane mixture) sells for appox. 63 cents per litre whilst gasoline sells for approx $1.50 per litre
04-14-2008, 09:30 AM
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I don't know how you can compart natural gas price "per litre"
Gasoline is obviously a liquid at the pressures and temps under which we normally find it, and can be priced and measured by weight or volume
LPG--what many call Propane-- is normally a combination of pressure and liquid, but is sold by weight or volume, and normally pressurized into liquid form
Natural gas, however is a completely different story. The normal temps under which we handle it make it a GAS--and the amount you get in pressurized gas form is going to depend on the PRESSURE of the gas in that container, as well as the volume of the container.
I doubt like heck that many of you are using it in LIQUID form, which requires special low-temp containers--think in terms of liquid oxygen.
It seems to me that the only "true" way to compare natural gas to other forms of fuel is "price per mile." I admit that I have no comparison data.
Gasoline is obviously a liquid at the pressures and temps under which we normally find it, and can be priced and measured by weight or volume
LPG--what many call Propane-- is normally a combination of pressure and liquid, but is sold by weight or volume, and normally pressurized into liquid form
Natural gas, however is a completely different story. The normal temps under which we handle it make it a GAS--and the amount you get in pressurized gas form is going to depend on the PRESSURE of the gas in that container, as well as the volume of the container.
I doubt like heck that many of you are using it in LIQUID form, which requires special low-temp containers--think in terms of liquid oxygen.
It seems to me that the only "true" way to compare natural gas to other forms of fuel is "price per mile." I admit that I have no comparison data.
04-15-2008, 04:20 AM
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Sorry
this litreage comparison was worked out by a guy that does this for a living
basicly he did the conversions and worked it out to what it would be in the same form
so in essence the comparison is worked out on the same volume of fuel
you are correct about the natural gas storage, this is why it requires such a large tank to
make it feasable to use it
this litreage comparison was worked out by a guy that does this for a living
basicly he did the conversions and worked it out to what it would be in the same form
so in essence the comparison is worked out on the same volume of fuel
you are correct about the natural gas storage, this is why it requires such a large tank to
make it feasable to use it
Last edited by gilesie; 04-15-2008 at 04:27 AM. Reason: spelling and still not sure that I got it right
04-15-2008, 05:17 PM
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Now THAT makes a little more sense---so if I understand this, he figured whatever amount of ng it would take IF IT WAS reduced to liquid?
I had no idea it would be that inexpensive. Of course if a bunch of us jump onto this band wagon---then NG will go up in disarray as well!!
04-16-2008, 02:31 AM
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In Australia we have been useing LPG (propane/butane mix) on petrol engines since the mid eightys (I think) as a cheaper alternative to gasoline. I cant remember what it cost back then but I do remember in 1993 it was costing me 16cents per litre.and at that time gasoline was selling for 48 cents per litre (these are aproximate prices but will be very close to actual price)
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