318 for 360?
#1
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318 for 360?
ok, so here is what i have, the stock 318 with the parts from my sig.
also i have a 360 from a 1978 truck. but it's not complete, i just have the block, crank, pistons, cylinder heads and valves/springs.
the 318 has some problems, it smokes 2 packs a day, well, i add a quart of oil a week or per 200ish miles.
i think i need valve seals and piston rings as it has 180k or 280k for all i know.
when i took the 360 apart i damage a piston so i was just going to use the heads, shave them along with the intake. and put in new rings into the 318.
any thoughts? i would appreciate your input and thanks.
also i have a 360 from a 1978 truck. but it's not complete, i just have the block, crank, pistons, cylinder heads and valves/springs.
the 318 has some problems, it smokes 2 packs a day, well, i add a quart of oil a week or per 200ish miles.
i think i need valve seals and piston rings as it has 180k or 280k for all i know.
when i took the 360 apart i damage a piston so i was just going to use the heads, shave them along with the intake. and put in new rings into the 318.
any thoughts? i would appreciate your input and thanks.
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I would do a compression test on the 318 you have. If you have good compression in all the cylinders, then I would take the 360 heads and have them cleaned and rebuilt by an engine shop. Have them milled a little if you want to bump up the compression. This is what I would do but I'm sure that other members will chime in.
Good compression on the cylinders tells me that the valve seals are probably leaking oil into the combustion chamber. This is a very common problem on the 318 and 360 LA cylinder heads.
If you do not have good compression one any of the cylinders (more than 30psi difference), then it could be one or more of a few issues. Cracked cylinder head, cracked block, leaking head gasket, worn piston rings, orn/burnt valve(s), etc....
If I am wrong, please correct me.
Good compression on the cylinders tells me that the valve seals are probably leaking oil into the combustion chamber. This is a very common problem on the 318 and 360 LA cylinder heads.
If you do not have good compression one any of the cylinders (more than 30psi difference), then it could be one or more of a few issues. Cracked cylinder head, cracked block, leaking head gasket, worn piston rings, orn/burnt valve(s), etc....
If I am wrong, please correct me.
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its a 74 Charger, i would prefer to use the 318 or 360 that i already have.
i am leaning towards using the 360 heads shaved and replace the piston rings and bearings.
i am leaning towards using the 360 heads shaved and replace the piston rings and bearings.
#6
Re ringing without reboring and honing on an already established oil burner with net you an engine with un seated new rings that burns oil. With 180K on the clock its getting seals and a rebore.
From your sig its a nice build. I would grab a light weight replacement .030 piston and recut the cylinders.
From your sig its a nice build. I would grab a light weight replacement .030 piston and recut the cylinders.
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Re ringing without reboring and honing on an already established oil burner with net you an engine with un seated new rings that burns oil. With 180K on the clock its getting seals and a rebore.
From your sig its a nice build. I would grab a light weight replacement .030 piston and recut the cylinders.
From your sig its a nice build. I would grab a light weight replacement .030 piston and recut the cylinders.
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The 360 is externally balanced whereas the 318 is internally balanced. You’d need a different torque convertor, maybe a flex plate too (not sure) and a harmonic balancer. At that point, you might as well just rebuild the 360 and throw on your performance parts (maybe a new cam depending on how much use is on the current one).
I think you should still do some research as to what is causing your oil burning before deciding what to do.
I think you should still do some research as to what is causing your oil burning before deciding what to do.
#12
You don't have a good "low budget" deal here
First, what pan do you have for the 360? 318 pans don't fit 360 LA
Have you miked the 360 bores? Checked the crank? You never know it might be a "cheap" rebuild............I've got 2 cores here, and both the blocks are standard bore with VERY little taper, and both would be candidates for a re-ring. I would use cast rings
Likewise, not miking the bore on the 318 means a gamble. I do agree, though, that with 180K it is unlikely an "easy" re-ring.
The thing is, if you are going to "pay for a rebore" it's not any more money to bore a 360 than a 318. The deciding factor might be whether you can re-use the crank in either engine without having it turned "under."
The balance issue on a 360 is easy.........buy a B&M weighted flexplate built for that purpose.
Seems to me you have a tossup here Me? I'd lean towards a mild 360
First, what pan do you have for the 360? 318 pans don't fit 360 LA
Have you miked the 360 bores? Checked the crank? You never know it might be a "cheap" rebuild............I've got 2 cores here, and both the blocks are standard bore with VERY little taper, and both would be candidates for a re-ring. I would use cast rings
Likewise, not miking the bore on the 318 means a gamble. I do agree, though, that with 180K it is unlikely an "easy" re-ring.
The thing is, if you are going to "pay for a rebore" it's not any more money to bore a 360 than a 318. The deciding factor might be whether you can re-use the crank in either engine without having it turned "under."
The balance issue on a 360 is easy.........buy a B&M weighted flexplate built for that purpose.
Seems to me you have a tossup here Me? I'd lean towards a mild 360
#13
using the 360 heads opens another problem. Unless you remove about .050 you loose compression... Now you have intake fitment problems, need to also surface the intake side of the head. also depending on intake fitment you may need to remove some from the bottom of the intake to make room for the seal..If re boring you can get pistons for a zero deck to get the compression up
Last edited by TVLynn; 03-20-2014 at 09:58 AM.
#14
using the 360 heads opens another problem. Unless you remove about .050 you loose compression... Now you have intake fitment problems, need to also surface the intake side of the head. also depending on intake fitment you may need to remove some from the bottom of the intake to make room for the seal..If re boring you can get pistons for a zero deck to get the compression up
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