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josehf34 09-15-2014 09:23 PM

413RB bored to 440
 
Hi guys

I want to know if a 413 RB block can be bored to 440 and then made a 440 Big block build or isn't just as simple like it sounds. Will this affect the block structural integrity?

440roadrunner 09-16-2014 08:47 AM

You need to do some research

413 was 3.75 bore

426 was 4.25 bore

440 was 4.32 bore

So from 3.75 to 4.32 is a whopping .57 inches!! That is more than 9/16"!!! Or if you're a "metric" guy that's 14.48 mm !!!!

Many modern engines cannot safely be bored "to" 1/8 (.125) overbore without sonic checking the block.

TVLynn 09-16-2014 12:10 PM

If you want a 440 get a 440 block or stroke your 413. the 413 is a good motor...

moe7404 09-16-2014 05:31 PM

3.75 is the stroke for a 413. with out looking it up i think 413-426-440 are .060 apart. found this 413-4,18 bore-3.75 stroke---426-4.25 bore-3.75 stroke----440-4.32 bore-3.75 stroke. but i think the 413 is 4.185. but i dont have my of my pre 1967 manuals here. years ago there was group of max wedge racers out of FL that would take a 413 and bore it to 426 use it for a while, not sure they bored it to 440 to keep using again.

440roadrunner 09-16-2014 06:15 PM

Don't know what I was thinking. 413 is 4.18, 440 is 4.32 it's still 140

The problem is finding pistons for either 413 or 426

moe7404 09-16-2014 07:00 PM

yep you are right my brain IS going south. years ago my dad sold his 300 J that had a 500 in max wadge to a friend. who wanted it back to stock. dad found some cats that had a pair of 413 new in crate. so he ordered them. what came was one 413 and a 440. dad wanted to put the 440 in his 82 250 HD ram. but died the next week. and i sold the block.

DodgeAddict 09-17-2014 02:17 PM

The 400 B block has a 4.32 bore That's why when you stick a turned down 440 crank in it becomes a 451 with a stock bore

moe7404 09-17-2014 02:55 PM

if i remember right just cause the 383 and the 440 have the same bore doesnt mean they use the same piston. i think.

Coronet 500 09-17-2014 03:28 PM

I'd stick with the 413. Steel crank with a good valve relieved piston at the right compression height could get you a great engine with a good aluminum head you could make 500 HP if you wanted.

Don't forget a stock bore 426 piston will fit that block with a bore. Still lots of selection.

moe7404 09-17-2014 03:56 PM

but if iam right does it not make since that chrysler had a reason to make the 383 piston diff than the 426 piston? and you are right one could make a swap that way. and it might work. why am i flapping my gums when i have 67 manual on the floor next to me. i see what i can find.

josehf34 09-17-2014 09:22 PM


Originally Posted by 440roadrunner (Post 123049)
You need to do some research

413 was 3.75 bore

426 was 4.25 bore

440 was 4.32 bore

So from 3.75 to 4.32 is a whopping .57 inches!! That is more than 9/16"!!! Or if you're a "metric" guy that's 14.48 mm !!!!

Many modern engines cannot safely be bored "to" 1/8 (.125) overbore without sonic checking the block.

I'm not 100% sure but I think you're missing something, the 413 has a 4.18" bore not 3.75", 3.75" is the engine stroke. The bore difference between 440 and 413 is "just" 0.14"


If you want a 440 get a 440 block or stroke your 413. the 413 is a good motor...

Where I live is not simple like just bought a 440 block, a 440 here is a exotic engine to find :puke: so I thought that I could build a 440 RB from a 413 RB because if I'm right the unique difference between the 413RB and 440RB is the bore diameter. But seems to be not simple like I thought


I'd stick with the 413. Steel crank with a good valve relieved piston at the right compression height could get you a great engine with a good aluminum head you could make 500 HP if you wanted.

Don't forget a stock bore 426 piston will fit that block with a bore. Still lots of selection.
So the 413 can be safely bore 0.07" over to make a 426 and use 426 pistons? is there a way that a 413/426 can be build to be a torque monster like the 440?

Coronet 500 09-18-2014 04:33 AM

I would first source 20-30 thou 413 pistons and keep your options open.


As far "torque monster" sure, with the right head and modern camshaft, less top end HP and more low end torque is easily done.

moe7404 09-18-2014 08:26 AM

i started reading in my 67 coronet manual. but did not to far i got side tracked. the the Hemi piston has a diff dome, and is forged, than the 383 piston. the 383 piston is NOT forged. and some of minor dementions are diff. and i think the Hemi wrist pin is is floating, and a diff dia. i wont say you cant use one. but i bet. what ever your need is some one has what you need , with out modding one. but making your own changes is what hot rodding is all about. i have very few things that are not moded.

TVLynn 09-18-2014 01:16 PM

I think you are referring to the 426 street wedge NOT the 426 Hemi

Gorts 5th 09-21-2014 04:44 AM


Originally Posted by josehf34 (Post 123043)
Hi guys

I want to know if a 413 RB block can be bored to 440 and then made a 440 Big block build or isn't just as simple like it sounds. Will this affect the block structural integrity?

Dont bore it my brother attempted thiat same thing
with objections from the machinest .
it lasted for about a week the the block cracked down the freez plugs
what a wast of a 67 max wedg 413 ... The heads we have to this day sitting atop a 440 but that block is trash .
u can wrk that 413 its a powerfull motor just check out the NHRA stats on that baybe..

George Dallas 03-06-2020 07:59 PM

there were two 383 blocks, one with smaller pistons and long stroke, one w large 426.
 

Originally Posted by moe7404 (Post 123093)
but if iam right does it not make since that chrysler had a reason to make the 383 piston diff than the 426 piston? and you are right one could make a swap that way. and it might work. why am i flapping my gums when i have 67 manual on the floor next to me. i see what i can find.


John Van 03-06-2020 08:02 PM

George, this thread is over five years old.

Skwerly 03-07-2020 09:37 AM

I think ole george is a bot/spammer. :D

RacerHog 03-07-2020 11:16 AM

Moe is a good Dude... I still chat with him even these days.. We talk at least 2 time a week.. :)


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