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Old 03-23-2009 | 04:43 PM
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big block or small block

I Have a 70 plymouth belvedere with a 318 904 and 8 1/4. with manual drums all around. I know i need to at least put power front disc brakes.

I am having a hard time decide if i want a big block or a small block. im looking to get between 400 to 500 hp and torque. also want sure grip i have ac that works that i want to keep . does it go in the same spot as a sb or bb the ac?

What are the pros and cons of small block or a big block.
If i go with a 340 or 360 can i use the 904 and 8 1/4 and beef them up or am i going to need a 727 and a 8 3/4

if i go with a 440 what will i need to do. I know that i have to get bb motor mounts a bb radiator and radiator mount but what else.

do i just have to buy heave duty shocks and leaf springs. will i have to
get an engine stiffinging kit like subframe connectors etc.

Thanks for your input
Old 03-23-2009 | 06:06 PM
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440 needs at least an 8 3/4
its torque is too high for the others
Old 03-23-2009 | 07:56 PM
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If you want that horsepower, the 440 would be your best bet. Yup, go with the 727 and 8 3/4 rear. The A/C can use your compressor with the appropriate big block a/c brackets and pulleys. Youll have to get new a/c lines made. Might have to do a little "hunting" to find the 440. 400 big blocks easier to find. 383,s easy too. The front springs on your '70 are "torsion bar springs." They are fairly easy to replace and stiffer ones are readily available. Youll have to shorten the driveshaft to go from the 904-8 1/4 combo to the 727-8 3/4 setup.

For brakes, try Master Power Brakes. They use original style parts in their kits and are very complete. Rear drums should be fine.
Dont really need the subframe connector til about 470 HP.
Your current radiator mount can be modified for the larger rad.
I'd use some decent gas charged shocks; [eg: Koni].
Other than the few modifications, its pretty much a drop in deal.
Old 03-23-2009 | 08:19 PM
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i think you should get a stroker kit for a 318 or a 360. i would like to see someone do this build up and would like know how it comes out. ive seen kits where you can bore and stroke a 318 up to 391 cubic inches. it would be one hell of a sleeper if you could show somebody that little 318 and then actually have the power and torque of 391 that would be really kick **s
Old 03-23-2009 | 08:36 PM
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well can somebody do a build up of a stroked small block then?
Old 03-23-2009 | 08:43 PM
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hypermite what is that sexy piece of machinery in your photo? i dont think ive ever seen one before.
Old 03-23-2009 | 11:01 PM
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If you want a hot rod do the 440, if you want a nice driver with a little power that gets decent gas milage and no hassles, do a 360 . theyres alot of them out there, in junk yards for cheap. and you can get 400 horses out of 1 with a few mods. yes youll need to get a 727 and an 8 3/4 rear for the car, if you dont mind 10 miles to the gallon big blocks the way to go.
Old 03-24-2009 | 12:59 AM
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Putting a big block in a B Body is a piece of cake. The OP isn't trying to shoe horn a 440 into a 64 Barracuda B Bodies were meant for big inch muscle. How many GTXs and Road Runners out there have small blocks? I don't know, and don't really care, cause the 440 +6 is where it's at.

IMHO, go with a 400 block, stroker kit from 440source.com, their Stealth aluminum heads, a nice TF automatic trans, a well built 8.75" rear, and have a blast with it. The stroker won't weigh quite what a 440 will, and you can make just as much power, if not more with the stroker.

If gas mileage is your concern, buy a Prius

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Old 03-24-2009 | 01:56 AM
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Another option is a crate motor. I heard a rumour that they are 25% off right now. 392 crate hemi, fuel injected....525 Hp....mmmm

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Old 03-24-2009 | 02:02 AM
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Find yourself a BB drivetrain out of a recked car and use it all. 440, 426, 383 with a 727 built up some and an 8 3/4 or dana 60 rear. I would be a lot easier than trying to build a small block motor to get those numbers that you want.
Old 03-24-2009 | 01:11 PM
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so pretty much either way im going to have to go with e 727 and 8 3/4. im not going to do everything right now but i found a 440 engines on cragslisr a of a '77 440 out of a New Yorker. CAST crank a .484 MP Purple Shaft cam in it..sitting for 4 years I would recommend a rebuild though Has stock 452 hardened seat heads on it as well as a "187" C body oil pan (great for A body BB conversions as the pan is notched to allow pitman arm clearance) Has cheapo chrome VC's on it.
DOES NOT COME WITH INTAKE, DISTRIBUTOR, STOCK VC's $600

does that seem decent for a motor.how bad will my handling be with a 440.
Old 03-24-2009 | 04:45 PM
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there's the question you gotta answer yourself. Power and torque or handling.

How about this for a compromise; lightest bigblock setup I can think of;
400 lowdeck big block with a stroker kit (little bit lighter),edelbrock heads (aluminum), Edelbrock performer RPM intake (aluminum), quality set of headers (lighter than iron manifolds) change your A/C compressor to a Sanden compressor(waaay lighter than original compressor) use an Optima battery (lighter) high torque mini starter (lighter), use a mopar performance aluminum water pump housing (lighter) and maybe one of those import, smaller alternators (lighter), maybe even an aluminum radiator with electric fan. Factory aluminum master cylinder.

And you wouldn't have to change this all at once. You could do the changes one at a time.
Old 03-25-2009 | 03:19 PM
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when you say that i need bigblock motor mounts. how do you install them are they a bolt on or do u have to weld them into place? Another thing about handling i saw on GEARS stacey davids doing donuts in a 70 superbird with a 440 and said that the car was made for handling. I Know the superbird is a little different then mine but cant i improve handling with sway bars, engine stiffinng kit etc
Old 03-25-2009 | 04:56 PM
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Originally Posted by mahd
when you say that i need bigblock motor mounts. how do you install them are they a bolt on or do u have to weld them into place? Another thing about handling i saw on GEARS stacey davids doing donuts in a 70 superbird with a 440 and said that the car was made for handling. I Know the superbird is a little different then mine but cant i improve handling with sway bars, engine stiffinng kit etc
Just use motor mounts for a '70 belvedere with a bigblock.
Motor mounts are a bolt on and you use your original "K" frame.
The 440 uses the same K frame as the 318 on your car so your good to go. No welding is required.
Yes, your car is basically like a superbird {obviously without the nose, tail and special backglass etc.} Swaybars would be a good choice for better handling.
Old 04-02-2009 | 09:05 AM
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if i was thinking of putting a hemi in there is it basically the same as putting a big block with changing the motor mounts or is it alot more complicated than that.
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