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Old 09-03-2013 | 07:23 AM
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As I look at what is happening in the new/old world of technology in the automotive industry. At one time they used carbuators for fuel delivery. Then it went to Throttle body injection to Multiport/sequential injection. Then alot of manufacturers went to CFI or Center port fuel injection with poppet valves. Now it appears that every manufacturer is going over to Direct injection to get better fuel economy. For those new to this injection system it has been used for years in the German cars and boosts the fuel pressure up to, through a pump mounted on the engine to 700+ psi the delivery pump is 50-70 psi.. So my question is what is next??? And how much will it cost??? And the day of the do it yourselfer is going bye bye..Just a thought and was wondering what your thoughts were????Bill

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As I look at what is happening in the new/old world of technology in the automotive industry. At one time they used carbuators for fuel delivery. Then it went to Throttle body injection to Multiport/sequential injection. Then alot of manufacturers went to CFI or Center port fuel injection with poppet valves. Now it appears that every manufacturer is going over to Direct injection to get better fuel economy. For those new to this injection system it has been used for years in the German cars and boosts the fuel pressure up to, through a pump mounted on the engine to 700+ psi the delivery pump is 50-70 psi.. So my question is what is next??? And how much will it cost??? And the day of the do it yourselfer is going bye bye..Just a thought and was wondering what your thoughts were????Bill
Pro-tech,

Great synopsis.

Do you think that "eventually" fuel will be almost completely be replaced by batteries or some other form of energy? There are more Hybrids (electric/fuel) than ever on the roads now and I imagine that number will greatly increase %-wise in 5-10 years.
Old 09-03-2013 | 08:18 AM
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there will always be fuel batterys wont power what we need and the batterys will fail and when they do it will be costly extremly costly. there going to make a attempt to swutch but it will never work untill they find another combustible energy source that they can harness power from. my guess it will be deisel vw has been pulling 30-40 mpg for 30 yrs now
Old 09-03-2013 | 09:23 AM
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as all ways my friend here have great ideas. dont forget we have had gasoline for over 100 years. but it has changed very very much, but its still gasoline. my idea is it will hard to replace it compleatly. i started working on engines in 1965. as i see it the biggest game changers has been the fuel delivery system. all in all gasoline is hard to beat. i think the next big change will be plasma plugs. the direct injection is just getting started, i see it being refined with 20-30 % improvement it the next 10 years, this will make the fuel makeup more critical. just my ideas. no charge.
Old 09-03-2013 | 11:07 AM
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I dont really know But I Do think D.I. has done the best....
Old 09-03-2013 | 11:31 AM
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The thing is, Derect Injection squeezes the fuel and injects it at very high pressure which atomizes it so it doesnt require as much fuel to make the same power. Then add a turbo and wahla good power less fuel... VW has had direct Injection for many years now. The reason that Kia & Hyundia have switch over to it is because one of the engineers from VW left VW and is now working for KIA/Hyundia. Chrysler got it from Mercedes and now Fiat If you look at the Kia/Hyun. you will see alot of stuff on these cars that came from VW even the wheels.. It cracks me up to see a Kia with the the technology of VW. But the times they are a changing....Bill
Old 09-03-2013 | 12:04 PM
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dont for get racer, the carbs in early 1900s wasnt much more than a tuna can with a tube. compared an AFB to it and the AFB is very high tech both are still carburetors.
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My Girl friend had a 95 Hyundai Elantra Had 160K trouble free miles. I believe it had a Mitsubishi drive train
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Not being able to do diagnostics on new stuff irks me, once the problem is found almost any average backyard mechanic can do the job. I have always improved anything I owned, not any more, keep them stock and drive them. I leave my fun to the old cars and snowmobiles. The RX 1 I have was one of the last 1000cc's to have carbs, now they're like the cars, if it stops your screwed and towed to a dealer.

I remember as a teen 4 wheel discs, fuel injection and turbos was Indy car or Formula 1 stuff, I never imagined that the average guy would go out and buy an average car and have all that on it standard.

Snowmobilers never thought a 4 stroke would ever be on the snow, have a look around, they're turboed, 4 strokes, multiple cam valve timing, and yes direct injection too.

Where this all goes I wouldn't hazard a guess, but it would be nice to hop something up without a computer.

Oh, the next big project we plan is a turboed smallblock with computer control, go figure. Old dog new tricks I guess.
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The New Diesel V-6 is also Direct Injection?
And who is doing that motor? Pentastar or Fiat???
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dont for get racer, the carbs in early 1900s wasnt much more than a tuna can with a tube. compared an AFB to it and the AFB is very high tech both are still carburetors.
Yes Moe...I'm still happy with those trash cans / Wheel Chalks.... lol
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Not being able to do diagnostics on new stuff irks me, once the problem is found almost any average backyard mechanic can do the job. I have always improved anything I owned, not any more, keep them stock and drive them. I leave my fun to the old cars and snowmobiles. The RX 1 I have was one of the last 1000cc's to have carbs, now they're like the cars, if it stops your screwed and towed to a dealer.

I remember as a teen 4 wheel discs, fuel injection and turbos was Indy car or Formula 1 stuff, I never imagined that the average guy would go out and buy an average car and have all that on it standard.

Snowmobilers never thought a 4 stroke would ever be on the snow, have a look around, they're turboed, 4 strokes, multiple cam valve timing, and yes direct injection too.

Where this all goes I wouldn't hazard a guess, but it would be nice to hop something up without a computer.

Oh, the next big project we plan is a turboed smallblock with computer control, go figure. Old dog new tricks I guess.
Going Mega Squirt? That looks fun or going to try the FAST System.
Old 09-03-2013 | 02:23 PM
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My one son thinks we could build our own with some Ford stuff. He is a mechanic at a Ford dealership where all the hoppin' it up guys have Dodge and Jeep mudders and crawlers, he has his Demon. Must drive the owner nuts!
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racer hog all diesels are direct injection. and the nrw one in the jeep and the 1500 ranm are from a italian company
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Bob, The Ram 1500 3.0 liter Diesel is an Ecoboost engine and Packs a 240Hp 420 Ft.Lbs of torque it is linked up with a Torque flight 8 speed Transmission it is manufactured by VM Motori Of Italy so it is neither of the two you metioned..It also is a $2850 option but seems to pack alot of punch. it will tow the same as a Hemi. They built the truck to compete with Fords ecoboost 3.5 L twin turbo which by the way has a tow capacity of 11,300 Lbs. which is the same as my Ram 2500 with the Hemi. I found it so hard to believe that a f150 could tow the same as a 2500 it blows my mind. But like I said earlier the times they are a changing...Bill
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racer hog all diesels are direct injection. and the nrw one in the jeep and the 1500 ranm are from a italian company
Sorry that was a .................................................. ..........................

Good Catch.... So much for being clear of what i'm talking about.hahahahahaha

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Old 09-03-2013 | 07:36 PM
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Thanks Bill...I'm Going to test Drive one...
Old 09-03-2013 | 09:15 PM
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np buddy. NOTHING COMPARES TO THE BIG "C"
Old 09-04-2013 | 06:18 AM
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np buddy. NOTHING COMPARES TO THE BIG "C"
Not sure what that means...Bill
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Cummins Brother!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Boy that was a no brainer, it must be I had a brain fart on that one...Bill
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Hahahahahahahaha....New York Air...hahahahahaahaha
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Better than cali smog hahaha
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