cork1958

Have my stock, 1966 Plymouth Satellite, 361 (5.9L) motor half a part getting a head job done. While it's a part, was thinking of putting in a new timing chain and cam.

Mechanic says I should go with a small 4bbl cam for improved efficiency. I'm about as mechanically inclined as a 2 year old, so have no clue what so ever on what to look for.

He told me to look at http://www.summitracing.com and check things over. As far what that site calls for, for my car, it shows 3 cams, none of which are probably any kind of upgrade, are they? Here's that link, http://www.summitracing.com/search/m...t-usage/street

Anyone have a suggestion on what would be a decent SMALL upgrade? I'm going to stick with the original 2bbl carb, at least for now.

Thank you

Coronet 500

Here is a list with descriptions, I like the 252H or XE250H for what your wanting. Those others look a little bit big. Try Comp Cams Camquest program and fool around with it.

http://www.compcams.com/Company/CC/c...+Engine+Family

cork1958

Thanks for that link coronet. Looking it over.

My brother says this would work good in my car. It's one of the 3 in the list from summitracing.com.

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/su.../make/plymouth

Would that be any kind of an upgrade? What are the specs on a stock cam anyway?

Thanks

Coronet 500

Don't know stock, but that cam if at .050" is accurate then locks pretty good. If the advertised duration numbers are an indication of what the cam is, then it is heavy.

This might help: http://www.hughesengines.com/TechArt...lattappets.php

cork1958

I can get to that site but every one of the links for the parts get me a hughesengines.clients.nharmony.com could not be found. Please check the name and try again.

The ONLY one of those that looks like it is what I want is the very first one and then I can't get to the description of what ever the link should be. Might have to try a different browser.

Does "heavy" mean cool, as in good and an upgrade?

Thanks again

Edit:
Can't get to the link description in any of the 3 browsers I use!!

Coronet 500

When I say heavy I mean too much. Go to Hughes Home, then Tech Articles, then Camshaft articles, then #3 Basic Camshaft...Hyd Flat. Other articles there should explain duration. When advertised at .050" gives a true indication of the camshafts potential. More duration is higher RPM, rougher idle and poor off idle breakaway with low nunerical gears. When you see advertised full duration in the 280-290's your talking about hot street closer to race cam type specs.

If you go to CompCams web site you should find their Camquest program which has tutorials on how to use it if needed, then put in your car data and useage, several cams will come up as suggestions.

cork1958

You talking about this thing? See attachment. I saw that previously.

I have no clue what to enter in there and I'm not even seeing the WHOLE thing there and in fact went back and tried to enter something and it doesn't work. The edge of that window is some what cut off.

Like I said above also, I'm about as mechanically inclined as a 2 year old, so have no clue what so ever on what to look for.

PK1

If you compare the numbers at @.050 it will give you a more "apples to apples" comparison.

Your's stock was in the 206 / 209 ballpark.. I think.... Small but considering what they wanted it to do it worked well. I want to say 115LSA.. But know Im really stretching my memory.

The ones Coronet500 suggested are my pick as well... For a couple reasons. If you leave everything else as is it will work well. Be much more responsive and you will be happy with output and drive ability.

The second reason is that if you add an intake or headers down the road she will really wake up nicely ( big jump in power) and you wont need to go back into the front cover.

Those cams you picked should be in the 206/212 range but have a 110LSA which will make more peak power. Lifts are the same as yours. A 600 cfm vac secondary would be a nice complement as well.

440roadrunner

Very difficult to compare different brand cams "by the numbers" because they can be measured differently, and the ramp profile is not fully "explained" by just numbers.

I would contact comp or hughes and try to get an "equivalent" cam, that is, one which performs similar to the original HP 383 in the 68--70 Road Runner / Super Bee era. These are sometimes called "cheater" cams.

Unless you have headers, good free flowing exhaust system, HP intake, don't go "too big." This is the single biggest mistake most people make. Also, in a heavy car, high rear end gear and low stall converter, too much cam will hurt bad.

Coronet 500

Try starting here:

http://www.compcams.com/downloads/register.asp

cork1958

Yep,
Did that and downloaded the program, tried to watch the tutorial but get an error saying program must've been already installed (duh) and can't enter a thing in any where there also. Just now makes the second time I've tried that thing, on 2 different computers, and get nothing. That's why I thought that thing I posted an image of would work online, and if it was the same thing?

Like I said anyway, when it comes to this stuff, I'm dumber than a box of rocks, but when it comes to computers, I can do wonders, just in case you're going to say my computers must be screwed up is why that thing isn't working. Don't take that wrong either, not attacking you or anything remotely similar.

My mechanic is supposed to be calling me some time today, so we can figure out which one I decided on. He's the one who told me to go to summitracning and explore there!

Gorts 5th

Here is some ramp speed for you but don't use it without header's and intake...

Hydraulic. The most awesome 268 cam ever produced! Out-powers all others! This High Performance street cam likes 2400 RPM stall, 800 cfm carb, dual plane intake and headers. Makes un-equaled power to 6200 RPM with proper valve springs. Very strong cam with great street manners.
Advertised Duration (Int/Exh): 268/276
Duration @ .050 (Int/Exh): 226/234
Gross Valve Lift (Int/Exh): .494/.513
LSA/ICL: 110/106
Valve Lash (Int/Exh): Hyd/Hyd
RPM Range: 1800-6200
Includes: Cam Kit
Part Number: 10230703LK
Previoius Part Number: 60303LK
Jobber Price: $219.04


LOOK AT THAT LIFT...

cork1958

I cheated and just called summitracing. The guy I talked to gave me a couple other cams to compare with that are a notch or two below the one I posted before.

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/cca-21-220-4

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/cca-21-212-4

Opinions on these?

Thank you

PK1

HUH?

Those are the two recommended above by Coronet500 in the 2nd response. You will appreciate the first one you posted above more with add ons.

cork1958

No way?!

Told you I was dumber than a box of rocks at this stuff!

Same part, different numbers from different companies?

PK1

No worries. No one is critical on this board. And the first cam swap can be daunting never mind learning the terms....Then you need to negotiate the marketing bullsh@t.

Everyone has their favorite brands and the "best" grind. Dont be afraid to search the forums and find someone who has that cam in your car. Shot them a PM and ask them how they like it.

cork1958

I know a little about cams as I used to make/machine them at Federal Mogul, but yeah, the marketing BS and just plain number of them is overwhelming.

One of the few times I wish there wasn't such a selection!!

Showed those 2 cams to my mechanic and he says those are both pretty good selections. He agreed that the first one would probably be more than what I was looking for.

Thanks for the help. Good to see people who actually help without turning it into something totally unrelated to what was originally asked. This is how a forum should work.

Gorts 5th

i love the lift in these cam's
look at this one!


Hydraulic. Very strong torque and increased HP for 383-440 cubic inch motors. Compatible with stock type fuel injection. Works great for pleasure/ski boats, and mild towing applications.
Advertised Duration (Int/Exh): 250/256
Duration @ .050 (Int/Exh): 208/213
Gross Valve Lift (Int/Exh): .454/.454
LSA/ICL: 112/108
Valve Lash (Int/Exh): Hyd/Hyd
RPM Range: idle-5000
Includes: Cam Kit
Part Number: 10230700LK
Previoius Part Number: 60300LK
Jobber Price: $219.04

Gorts 5th

This one is even better!

Hydraulic. Best mild performance cam. Works excellent in fuel injection applications with performance chip. Makes approximately 19 vacuum at idle. Great for performance oriented marine applications and heavy towing applications. Perfect Street Rod cam. Has slightly noticeable idle.
Advertised Duration (Int/Exh): 256/262
Duration @ .050 (Int/Exh): 213/220
Gross Valve Lift (Int/Exh): .454/.475
LSA/ICL: 112/108
Valve Lash (Int/Exh): Hyd/Hyd
RPM Range: 1000-5500
Includes: Cam Kit
Part Number: 10230701LK
Previoius Part Number: 60301LK
Jobber Price: $219.04

cork1958

If these 2 http://www.summitracing.com/parts/cca-21-220-4
http://www.summitracing.com/parts/cca-21-212-4
are the same as the ones you posted 252H or XE250H, I'm ASSUMING this one is the slightly bigger of the 2, http://www.summitracing.com/parts/cca-21-220-4

Am I reading that stuff correctly?

Coronet 500

You are correct, not just "bigger" but a better more modern profile. If your red blooded and WHEN you try a 4 barrel carb you'll see a bigger improvement. I say these things because any improvement to a V8 engine is like a narcotic and is addicting.

Gorts 5th

This cam has as much lift as my last comp cam, their 268 H
that's what i see in every lunati cam using such modern cam grinds the lift and duration ratio's are far beyond any i have seen or used, and from what iv'e learned work best with the mopar long rod motors...

Hydraulic. Very strong torque and increased HP for small cubic inch motors (273-360). Compatible with stock type fuel injection. Works great for pleasure/ski boats and mild towing applications.
Advertised Duration (Int/Exh): 250/256
Duration @ .050 (Int/Exh): 208/213
Gross Valve Lift (Int/Exh): .454/.454
LSA/ICL: 112/108
Valve Lash (Int/Exh): Hyd/Hyd
RPM Range: idle-5000
Includes: Cam Kit
Part Number: 10200700LK
Previoius Part Number: 60400LK
Jobber Price: $219.04