Presuming a Bad Ground Reg Voltage up @ 15volts!

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Aug 12, 2013 | 03:47 AM
  #1  
Hi, I have yet to check tonight but i installed a B/N electronic alt. regulator and have 15volts charging at the battery.
This was the case for the original and second used regulator I had as a spare.

I bought a Regitar electronic voltage regulator and still have the issue

I am now thinking this is a bad ground issue.
I plan to run a grd wire straight to the battery..

Anything else I should look for?
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Aug 12, 2013 | 06:25 AM
  #2  
Some of those Reg. are adjustable? You will know, they have a little adjuster screw that a pocket screw driver fits into.
But yes Good grounds are needed.
I have a ground strap from my engine to the chassis and one from the engine to the body. and an added one from my Voltage Reg. too the engine.

Also Check for a dead cell in the battery
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Aug 12, 2013 | 09:32 AM
  #3  
This COULD be a bad ground but is more likely voltage drop in the ignition harness.

1--CHECK THE GROUND. To do that, make the following measurement with engine warm (regulator is temp compensated) battery "up to normal" and first with all accessories off, then with "as much" as you can turn on, headlights, heater, etc.

Start the engine and bring it up to an RPM to simulate low--to medium cruise. Set your multimeter to low DC volts, and stab one probe right into the top of the NEG battery post.

Stab the other probe into the mounting flange of the regulator. Make sure you stab through chrome, paint, rust. You are hoping for almost a zero reading, and zero would be perfect. Anything over .2--.3V (three tenths of one volt) means you need to improve the ground between regulator, firewall, engine, and battery

2--Check the regulator IGN supply. What happens here, is if the voltage from the battery through the harness to the reg. IGN terminal suffers drop, the regulator will jack up the charging voltage to compensate.

The circuit path (in a factory harness) is battery -- fuse link -- bulkhead connector -- ammeter terminals -- through the ammeter -- harness welded splice -- ignition switch conector -- through the switch -- back out the connector (dark blue ignition run wire) -- back out the bulkhead -- and to underhood loads

On 69 / earlier cars this is ignition and regulator IGN terminal

On 70 / later cars, add to the above

alternator (blue) field

idle solenoid if equipped

retard solenoid if equipped

electric choke if equipped

and on some models a couple of smog doo dads

TO CHECK this, turn the key to "run" with the engine stopped. Stick one meter probe into the top of the POS battery terminal, and the other to a source of switched ignition, ie------

the "switch" side of the ballast, or the blue field wire on the alternator. Don't disconnect it, backprobe the terminal.

Once again, you are hoping for a very low reading, not more than .3V ANY voltage you read here is ADDED to an otherwise properly working regulator, so if you read, say, one volt in this test, and if the regulator is trying to regulate at 14, then you now are going to show 15 at the battery.

Your most likely suspects are

the bulkhead connector

the igntion switch connector

the switch

loose ammeter connections

bad internal problems in the ammeter

in rare cases, a failed "welded splice" This is a big splice in the black ammeter wire up in the dash. It splits off and feeds the fuse panel hot buss, the headlight power, the ignition switch, etc.

Also, on the 70/ later regulator with the connector, don't forget the connector /terminals can get loose/ corroded

PLEASE read this excellent article on the hows and whys of power distribution in these old girls

http://www.madelectrical.com/electri...p-gauges.shtml

The diagram down the page is an excellent simplified view of power flow in these cars. They left out the ignition switch, and back through the bulkhead

[img]http://www.madelectrical.com/electricaltech/images/amp-ga18.jpg[/kimg]
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Aug 13, 2013 | 03:44 AM
  #4  
Thanks for the replies.

Quick update here.

I replaced the battery just about 2 weeks ago due to sulfation of the cells

I added the grd wire direct to the battery from the back of the regulator.

There is no adjustment for this regulator.. - no difference

I replaced the alternator since I had a rebuilt unit. - no difference which was to be expected other than lights don't dim now.

I didn't see the replies here until just this morning so I will probe further to see what volt drops I get in the circuits.

This is a tomorrow night job since I am out of town tonight

I'll post the results
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Aug 14, 2013 | 06:03 PM
  #5  

Ok so here's an update.

I checked the ground from engine to chassis - no difference but it is now new.

I also ran a grd wire from the negative battery post directly to the regulator. no difference.

Had a 1.3 volt difference from the ignition side to the positive battery post.

Found that the down side of the amp meter connector was next best thing to broken off at the bulkhead connector.
patched it for now but it is not good sight all around in that area.

Voltage now reads 14.8.
If I move or pull at the connectors at the firewall, I can get as high as 16 volts.

Next question now is, does anyone sell the bulkhead/firewall plugs male & female with connectors for repairing this are of the car?
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Aug 14, 2013 | 06:35 PM
  #6  
look for melted wires in the bulkhead connector
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Aug 14, 2013 | 07:25 PM
  #7  
Quote: look for melted wires in the bulkhead connector
Hi there, the the main amp wire had melted as the down side of the amp meter was next best thing to broken.
I bypassed both connectors at the bulkhead and now have a better charge butt he bulkhead connectors are pretty much toast in my opinion.

These are very old connectors. I have found oem replacements online but I want to replace the bulkhead block if possible too.
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