67charger64

This is my first project car and im trying to load the horsepower up as much as i can. its going to be a tribute car to the army and marine infantry mos's and feel like it should have tremendous power to symbolize the power of our armed forces. that being said im looking to twin turbo and supercharge my 440 with out coming out through the hood. if any one has a design that they are already using or any ideas on how i can accomplish my goal of 600+ hp im all ears. i know alot of you probably think its crazy to do this to a first gen charger that reads as a 383 car but honestly im not worried about resale value, between being a veteran trying to memorialize his service in his favorite car and finally having someone (my uncle) fill the shoes my dad failed to fill and teach me about cars this car wont be leaving my side until i die or pass it along to my son if i ever have one.

Archer

67 -

You don't need twin turbos to get 600 HP from a 440.
I think the first thing you need to do is a little more research.

Archer

moe7404

the 67 440 is the first year with the bigger valves. and stock had the AFB had what i think is the best one. and the last year for the AFB in chryslers. in 1968 they started the AVS. with the lean idle circuit that caused a flat spot off idle. but easy to fix. just drill the idle jet by .001"-.002". but dont try it if you havent been shown how.

moparted

hope op has at least 50k to spend

78D200

Twin turbo and supercharger are not needed. A well planned and built 440 of that era will produce the numbers you want easily. There is no point in throwing parts and money at it if you don't need to.

67charger64

well why do you think im on here archer lol im trying to do research as well as bounce opinions off of you guys. this is my first project and my first build haha

67charger64

would you mind helping me with what i could do? im honestly to new at this i dont even know what i could do or where i could start lol i just know the obvious that turbos and superchargers can boost numbers dramatically lol

Iowan

Here you go, 6oo hp..


http://www.indyheads.com/bbengines.html


They sell it in a kit also.

67charger64

ok thanks! much appreciated but now how about with out buying a new motor. i want to use my current 440 because i already have it

Iowan

Look at the breakdown of the 440s they have listed that should give you an idea of what it takes to make that kind of power, 500 cid. and very good heads etc..

TVLynn

Go to 440source.com get a stroker kit

RacerHog

Get the good stuff....

http://raybarton.com/parts/index.php...-efi-hemi.html

67charger64

some things im trying to do is stay under the stock hood and avoid machine work, is my goal still possible with out doing turbos?

Iowan

You night as well put" not spend money" on yor list also, a motor built for that power level is going to be a custom built piece.

RacerHog

OK...Here you go.....

http://www.nelsonracingengines.com/e...er-Series.html

RacerHog

Mike has good stuff also.....

http://www.mrlperformance.com/

Nickens Brothers are great Mopar building guys also....
http://nickensracing.com/contact.html

Not trying to burst your bubble.... Just trying to figure where the reality of the expectation level really is for this build ?
There are lots of great folks out there to accomplish things. It just takes Money and Commitment.

A well built stroker kit might just be the way to go for now. and focus more on the looks and appearance of what you want it to look like...

And for you to look at doing something to tribute to our men and woman in uniform... Bless you for doing so!

67charger64

dude i dont care about spending money, i know its going to be a custom piece in the long run. im just trying to figure out what my options are so dont be snide about me asking questions. im new to this and im trying to learn so then i can really formulate a more devised plan of attack. i have a basic idea in mind that i had no idea on how to achieve outside of turbos and superchargers until i reached out and started asking yall. now for me its about seeing what i can do cost effectively as i continually work on it. i cant afford to go out and just buy a stroker kit or a crate motor, i cant afford to go out and buy a supercharger or even a turbo kit right now. im simply in a learning phase so i can map out what direction i want to go and set a goal timeline so i can attack it piece by piece until i have it where i want it.

67charger64

hey man thank you for giving me some great resources. honestly i only have a basic outline of where i want to be right now lol i want to stick with my 440 block (im not against a stroker kit just cant afford one so i was thinking of picking away at it piece by piece even though in the long run itll cost me more than a kit would) but at the same time with you giving me the links that you did i might just save up for one of the kits on that page you linked me last night and just install the parts as i can and can afford the machine work on some of it. as far as the rest of my goals for the immediate future is staying away from major machine work and staying under the hood. other than that im free game lol itll all just be a work in progress. money isnt an issue in the sense of i dont care how much i put into the motor i just cant pull out 5 g's from my back pocket at any given moment lol i work part time getting 30-40 hrs a week at a security company lol.

as far as the tribute, i appreciate it man i got a lot of brothers in arms still serving and this is kind of my way of showing them im still prayin for em and keepin em in my mind although im no longer covering their six in person. its like my way of given back to them alot of them helped me exponentially while i was in

RacerHog

Not a Mopar.... But one that turned out to be a Nice Tribue car.... My Buddy Sammy over at Maloof Racing work endlessly on this car.....
Just an Example:



And Thank You for your Services.....

67charger64

thats definitely bad ***! and no problem i just wish i coulda done more while i was in

RacerHog

Some M.O.S. just dont let you get there.... But dont get down on yourself....
Remember... You wear the Colors with Honor... The Band of Brothers is "Forever". Always tell the story of your service!!!
Welcome to the Mopar family...
I will stop now..... Back to your build.....

Iowan

Not trying to be a smart ***, but big power cost big money. I showed you what Indy does for there 600 hp 440s, the problem is if you cut corners, try to do it cheaper you will fall short on power or build a grenade or both.


Buying parts as you can afford them or when you find deals on the parts you need are how most of the hot rodders /racers I know build their stuff. I collected parts for ten years for my SBF project before I put it together.
Just pick one path and stick with it, and buy good parts!

67charger64

haha well i was infantry but my path got cut short long story. but thanks! lol

67charger64

lol ok it just seemed like you were just telling me to stop wasting time and buy a stroker kit or something along those lines my bad man and yeah im looking at indy again now. but i still have to know what can be done instantly (when i have the money i mean) and what needs machine work?

RacerHog

++++ On picking the direction and collecting parts....

xaza

A little bit newer Charger but found this article on bolt on power. I personally think you are better off to maintain it and keep it running while you save up for the machine work. Can't put the roof on the house before foundation is poured.

http://www.hotrod.com/how-to/engine/...ar-440-engine/

67charger64

i appreciate the link itll definitely help plan it out. and i absolutely agree with your roof/house analogy. i guess when i started this thread i shouldve been more clear for everyone with saying im new to builds and need help in trying to plan out a good power line and organize a part time table type thing lol which that article will certaintly help with

RacerHog

So I guess we have been screwing in the light bulb, That means it will soon come on !!!!!

67charger64

by the way guys i got my hands workin on the motor today getting it ready to test fire to make sure everythings running right and i pulled the casting number to see what kind of information it would give me... problem is it didnt lol it was built 9/25/75 and the casting number is 4006650-440-7 with an mn code i mean obviously its a 440 ive been knowing that already lol but im just curious as to what else the casting code could tell me. any one come across this code before and know anything about it?

67charger64

is this what my uncle perhaps meant when he said it was a modified 440? when he said it was a 440 modified by the way he meant it was bored 30 over out of the factory so does this perhaps make sense now with that casting number? i literally cant find **** on it the closest matching number is 4006630 and im sure mines 50